Hope your garage skim project goes well this summer! Yes Sarah ur welcome! Trying to decide if I really need to move them. It's been a learn-as-you-go experience. See all 4 answers 0 vote votes; Question: Can I use this over latex painted walls (with traces of glue)? 05-07-2015, 06:57 AM #8: mako1 Pro . Flat paint should take 2 coats. I never sand when I’m doing drywall. Hi there. Thanks again! For corners, you use the taping knife edge in the corner and feather it out on both sides. While I have turned my skim coat into a post-workday evening project, it took several of those evenings to learn to get it right, to get a rhythm going, and to start seeing finished results. I too have an old bungalow style home that I am proud to call my OWN, and am working on sheetrocking over old walls as well as ripping out old thin paneling and replacing it with new sheetrock. Thanks in advance! I always put it on very thin and smooth so that it needs no sanding. …understanding different compounds and the how’s and why’s helps as well… I could have sworn I’ve visited your blog before but after looking at a few of the articles I I used regular all-purpose drywall, not the lightweight compound – I’m not sure if this makes too much of a difference or not. Should I tape it and try to make it work or is it too far gone and should replace the dry wall? First of all, we should start by clearing up a myth:  most drywall by itself is not smooth. I’m not going to tell you my sappy story, I just wanted to let you know that you saved my sanity…and my pride. Windows and corners are different for how I did each. I bought this product to use so I could avoid replacing the drywall or skim coating the entire room. I’m going to try and skim the walls. Embarrassing! • Damaged Drywall - GARDZ prevents bubbles that form when damaged drywall is skim coated with spackling or joint compound. Any help would be most appreciated.". Like this article says, definitely add some water to your drywall mix – this helps go on a lot smoother and easier – though I preferred it a little bit thicker than the article suggests. This post was exactly what I needed!! Also it is nailed up so it would be hard to take off and get new dry wall. Skim coating is a texturing technique used to make a wall smooth. X. At least what it would take to smooth the skim coat of drywall mud. If using a shiny or sheen paint (any other than flat) you will need a flat or acrylic primer 1st then apply the sheen 2 coats. Agreed. No big, right? Also, I was wondering if you had any tips for skimming the edges around windows and corners of the room? If you’re soaking down your walls to that extent every time you brush your teeth though, you should probably just tile the bathroom walls instead of gamble with drywall at all, since drywall IS sensitive to moisture (and standards have changed for items like the shower walls — they use cement board and no longer use drywall in those spots for exactly this reason). Very helpful as we are now tackling our walls and rippng down wallpaper, and just now found your blog. The walls turned out great, in fact compared to the rest of the walls in my 100+ year old house, they are the nicest! here it is May and I am STILL sheetrocking!!! report. I have already feathered some of it in and its starting to look pretty good. They told me you can't skim over Zinnser Gardz. coating or wallpapering after 3 hours. We are thinking about putting up paint-able wall paper with a subtle pattern to keep our original design & colors. I headed to Lowes today to get the drywall supplies. I have a question... from what I've been reading, one should remove wall paper, clean, etc, and then apply Gardz, then spackle, and then... what? Fantastic instructions it’s people like you that help make jobs easier. So glad you found my tips helpful, Jon! UPDATE:  If you would like a helping hand with the dust, you can also purchase a drywall hand sander kit (most also come with a connection that allows for pole attachment). I actually hadn’t thought about getting taping knives of different sizes. I can’t honestly say I have enjoyed the actual work, but I loved following in your footsteps. I like your work station and tool display. My question is what the heck do I use now?? The layers are thicker and crack easier if a bubble is underneath, and the sanding results are kinda lumpy in ways I don’t want it to be (it’s hard to really put it into words but “weirdly lumpy” was what came to mind). ), - used a razor to clean up the drywall tears and remove excess paper, - rolled 2 coats of GARDZ over the wall (stuff is AMAZING! Skim coating is the only way to achieve a level 5 drywall finish, which a number of trade associations recommend for areas of bright or critical lighting. I don’t find that they do either job (the paint nor the priming) especially well. Hip hip, hooray. I can’t tell you how much DIYers love hearing success stories from the tips we share! Another reason for applying primer after you mud the walls is to make sure that the paint doesn't lose its sheen in any spot (dead giveaway of a patch job). This thread is archived. As we cannot strip it back fully (back to bare plasterboard), would it be wise to put a coat of Zinsser Gardz over all the walls, so we may achieve a good 'key' for a plaster skim. Please ensure you are following proper guidelines with anything used, and seek professional advice if you don’t know how to do something! The chalky surface would easily rub off on your fingertip and looked like it could absorb a lot of paint. Drywallers use this technique to hide an imperfect taping job, to give the wall a plaster-like appearance and in situations when only the smoothest surface will do, for instance after … Will be pure entertainment for family, friends and the neighbors, but I refuse to be whipped by drywall! Tomato Tomahto. you seem to have a ton of knowledge about this DIY home repair stuff, so i thought you might be able to help clarify a few things for me: 1) what’s the consequence of NOT thinning out the joint compound before coating the walls with it using spackling knives? When you get a chance, come back by and see what we've done for the American Crafter's competition… and maybe vote for us too! After doing some research on various painting and drywall websites, the overall opinion was that Zinsser Gardz was the … I am in the middle of redoing my grandmas bathroom and it has been a nightmare. ): Tool shopping tips:  All-purpose joint compound is cheap, but I wanted to share a little tip to make things easy for you when shopping at the big box stores. This low-odor, water-based formula dries to a clear, matte finish, creating a hard, paintable seal over damaged drywall, adhesive residues and other chalky surfaces. Believe me when I say that there isn't one square inch of the master bathroom that won't have some kind of joint compound/skim coating on it. from one single gal to another, I like your realness and ability to tackle the job! AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK. Gardz is applied on top of the skim, then paint is applied on top of Gardz. It’s a judgment call, eventually you get a feel for what will work and when. One of the best ways to keep the paper edges from fraying and showing up when you paint is to seal them with a 50/50 mixture of an oil based sanding sealer and paint thinner. ), - applied durabond 90 min setting type joint compound (2 skim layers), - applied lightweight all purpose joint compund (1 skim layer). This material is porous, which means it soaks up a lot of paint. Triple on those who texture over it. Damaged Drywall - GARDZ prevents bubbles that form when damaged drywall is skim coated with spackling or joint compound. It looks like your walls had a skim coat applied before the wallpaper glue went on. Hopefully, my patience will pay off in the end! Treat a skim-coated wall like new drywall, with a coat of primer paint first. (Thanks for not being infallible!) So if you want to keep your walls pristine after all of that hard work, don’t skimp on the last step! I know! @[email protected] Right on! Thanks! thanks for sharing this, oil prime before and after was great tip which I had not found elsewhere. Lock down porous and crumbling surfaces with Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® GARDZ® Problem Surface Sealer. And that’s also why I recommended the primer before painting and not some kind of paint/primer combo. I've done tons of this and its the safest way. I’ve searched online and can’t find a match for this. BEFORE to lock any wallpaper glue residue to the wall that might prevent your joint compound from sticking, and AFTER to penetrate your joint compound and harden it so your paint isn’t just sticking to a layer of joint compound dust. A slight hit that would not leave a mark on painted drywall, creates gouges and we have to do something. Skim coating is a texturing technique used to make a wall smooth. Thanks again! The downside of having all boys is that you will have to repair your drywall on numerous occasions! Finally I’ve found something which helped me. d over it. It is the strongest of them all, but is hardest to sand and apply…however it dries from the outside in which means you can begin to sand some or apply another coat before completely dry…WARNING if it starts to turn more clayish in the pan you need to dump it and make a new batch- you WILL NEVER sand out the edges once it starts to dry and will have to add more coats around the edges later. I prefer the thinned out way because the thinner layers have led me to a smooth sanding job. In some places it's peeling up like paint. B ... - After the coat of Gardz do I need to scuff it up or sand it? But I have had less luck when repairing damaged drywall with the sponge method. My question is would you all go about this the same way or would you do it a different way? I have a son with an ugly duckling house. You can’t expect the sanding step to take care of all of the loose ends (trust me, the sanding part of four walls is a real pain, and you want to give yourself as smooth of a start as possible to prevent hours of correcting later). May 12, 2019 - Must save for later! Eventually, it will need to be repainted anyway, and after a few coats of paint have hardened (they cure slowly), the walls will be as durable as any others. The purpose of wiping down a wall is to get it clean so that the paint can stick to it, because dust and/or dirt will create a bad bond between the paint and wall. Taping and sanding is so NOT a favorite job of mine to do because of all the dust… kudos to you for this big job! And thanks from those of us who realize how tough it is to write clearly and make it entertaining. I also live in an UDH. It is the same product as Gardz Problem Surface Sealer which you can buy online Just trying to help you out next time. Here’s to Ugly Duckling houses ever’where! Your Not-So-Serious Guide to DIY Home Improvement, Home Repair, Woodworking, Food, and Decorating | Atlanta, GA | Sarah Fogle. My final options were to try Gardz or to get a professional plasterer to skim coat the walls. Because of your detailed steps and info, I am tackling our ripped up drywall (curse the 70’s wallpaper fad!). So remember:  it’s not impossible, but you will have to put in the time to see satisfactory results. SO helpful! hide. Wouldn't painting over the GARDZ be a little difficult considering it very glossy and extremely hard? Good luck on your fix! Next lesson I’ve learned:  To do it right, you will have to put in the time and effort. because the previous owners put wallpaper up in most-every room, including our 80-100% humid bathrooms! But the paper covering the entire sheet of drywall is typically not smooth. I wouldn’t worry about little ridges since those can be sanded out and another coat put over them once smooth. This will be a first for me and I know no matter what comes of this project, it can’t be a bad as it is now!! I did an updated post too with more tips and went over the primer info in more detail, and I’ve since found a water-based primer I really like! Next up – priming the walls, getting rid of the painted linoleum floor, installing tile, replacing the vanity, and re-grouting the existing shower tile. My question is: after I use Gardz on the damaged/brown paper drywall, does it need a couple skim coats before primer/paint or can I prime/paint right over the Gardz? If you start to see the blade of the knife get gunky even after scraping the excess off, use a wet rag to wipe clean and begin again. Feel free to let your words of wisdom and humor fly (there's no swear jar on this blog), but if you're overly spammy, rude, or just plain boring, you're just going to have to accept that your comment may not see the light of day. I found this tool not to be helpful and feel you should go with the taping knife listed here – it worked a lot better. The mud smooths out the wall, primer will coat the entire wall, and then the paint will stick to the primer. You’re so knowledgeable hahaha. I used oil-based primer in my master bathroom after all was said and done, with excellent results. It’s quicker than it sounds because the tape acts as a screed, making the patches smoother than they’d be without it. Family Handyman recommends using a squeegee knife. (*Note:  some of these photos have been darkened to enhance the difference between the wet mud and wall – it’s hard to see off-white on white*). Get your answers by asking now. Create your smooth finish, and everything after it is easier. Your directions are easy to understand and real. Now that I’ve gotten up close and personal with my bathroom drywall, I’m learning that the above is definitely true in my case. It's clear and doesn't do much to prime. What started as a routine wallpaper removal ended up as a drywall paper removal also. That’s awesome… “Decor-HATION” :) Glad the tutorial was helpful, and welcome to my little DIY world! They told me you can't skim over Zinnser Gardz. Try to fill in spots as smooth as possible to avoid having to re-sand later (though I did just for good measure). From what I have seen here and other places, using pre-mixed, light joint compound would give a smooth finish much easier, but I do not want to go back and have to repair damage that might occur in the future. Wallpaper on the ceiling sounds ROUGH. Thank you!! I love hearing when people are using my tutorials to fix their homes! TOPCOATING/WALLPAPERING When dry, GARDZ may be topcoated with any standard -based or oil based primer or topcoat. I hope it works out for you! I found it easy to apply with a roller. I would highly recommend checking out my follow up post with additional tips for skim coating and the materials to use under/over it. For my project, I was going from heavily textured walls that even with sanding were not really flat (not merely a little uneven from wallpaper, etc). It might be worth your while sealing the wall with gardz or an oil-based primer, such as cover stain, BEFORE AND AFTER skim coating. ahenrypd PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member. Reellucky, Thank you SO MUCH! - Should I prime with a premium primer after the Gardz (I was recommended Benjamin Moore Fresh Start Multi-purpose Latex for it's mildew resistance)? Good tip! Related: Fixing Bubbles & More Skim Coating Tips. … Your post was extremely helpful and gave me the confidence to do it myself. I am building a garden shed and need help? We Gardz coated after sanding, then skim coated, then Gardz again. Fixing old work sucks anyway you look at it but it seems you did it your way and came out good. This helps tremendously. Date published: 2019-05-29. So, I’ve began my quest to strip & refinish the walls in those spaces, and I’m thankful for your wisdom and your sense of humor, but perhaps even more importantly, I was inspired to tell you the true story of my artist/daughter, Sarah. Your post made it look easy, but actually it’s a pretty daunting task. After you are satisfied with the skim coat and it has had time to dry, the next task is to sand. A drywall contractor estimated $3600 to fix it, and thanks to you, we’re saving ridiculous amounts is money. Yes, on fresh board, the sponge method works great, and I would still recommend it as a last step in drywall repair or if filling in a single hole on drywall. After wallpaper … in case you’re wondering, I have 16yrs experience….hope this helps. Thank you a million times for your post. Make sense? Then I rolled on one coat of Gardz, let it dry, and painted two coats of color paint. You can try painting over it, but again it's clear, so no help with covering stains or discoloration. Wear a breathing mask and protective eyewear; and maybe a hat– dust will be everwhere. We removed wallpaper from our kitchen walls only to find plaster, drywall, and I swear what looked like sandpaper underneath! NEW DRYWALL/JOINT COMPOUND AND SPACKLING GARDZ penetrates and uniformly seals, creating a moisture resistant film that protects drywall from blistering, tearing and other damage when re … I’m trying to smooth and paint interior bulkheads on my boat so am using a different type of putty but the technique is essentially the same. This low-odor, water-based formula dries to a clear, matte finish, creating a hard, paintable seal … Today, I show how to skim coat a wall after wallpaper removal in this step by step tutorial. If the paper was put up soundly and smoothly, and taking it off will ruin the wall underneath (this can happen with crumbly plaster as well as drywall), it’s easy to simply tape the seams with fiberglass mesh and 2 coats of redi-mix (hot mud for the first coat, if you like), sand and paint it. This material is porous, which means it soaks up a lot of paint. After stripping the wallpaper and scraping and scrubbing off the residual glue, I lightly sand the walls and then brush on a coat of Zinsser ALLPRIME Water-Base Problem Surface Sealer, which I had read about on a few painting discussion boards. Please see our full disclosure here. Thank you so much for letting me know about your projects. No sanding! The Gardz product looks alot like polyurethane used to finish wood work. After the wall is sealed and primed … This is useful advice, and will be necessary in a lot of situations. It might also be a technique issue, because you need to feather out the skim coat in really thin layers so that the thinnest part is near the widow edge so there’s less buildup. The bathroom I'm doing now had paneling installed previously. See terms and disclosure page for more info! I was told that a product called Gardz once put on the wall would take care of any residue paste before we prime and paint the walls. How to apply a skim coat video series. There’s also a corner tool that you may find easier to use that looks like this. Today I replaced the broken spray nozzle in the kitchen sink. Check it out here! Re-posting content is not allowed, no exceptions. You need to use sanding screens for it to work properly though. 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